# Panther Governance framework proposal **URL:** \ **Category:** Panther Improvement Proposals (PIPs)\ **Created:** [January 20, 2023, 10:43am UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234 "2023-01-20T10:43:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hodlerboi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/hodlerboi/32/137_2.png) [@Hodlerboi](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/Hodlerboi)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2023, 10:43am UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/1 "2023-01-20T10:43:45Z")
Hi everyone. I finally made an acc on the Panther forum so that I could make a topic about the Governance framework. I saw this being mentioned on Telegram a few times earlier and I think that we ZKP holders should draft up a Governance framework PIP with input from Panther team. Let’s discuss and publish after a few weeks. ---
**Author:** ![MoonRocket](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@MoonRocket](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/MoonRocket)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2023, 11:21am UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/2 "2023-01-20T11:21:22Z")
I agree. We can think of drafting up the existing process like moderator review, building a more formal framework and PIP reviewing process. Now that exchange PIP is coming closer we need clear process. ---
**Author:** ![Joris](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/joris/32/8_2.png) [@Joris](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/Joris)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2023, 12:09pm UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/3 "2023-01-20T12:09:24Z")
Thanks for starting this topic! There’s a lot to discuss here since a Governance framework is an extensive process to document. A few suggestions that should be discussed and drafted up by the ZKP holders for example are: - Voting priorities and conflicts - The PIP template structure - A Discourse Moderator for review council (a group of individuals deciding if a proposal’s suitable for Snapshot). These individuals should be independent from the Snapshot authors so that the Governance process is secure and more robust and decentralized. I would say that, right now, the process on Discourse as in how a discussion turns into a proposal mostly needs to be crystalized out, into detail. And concurred on by the ZKP holders. Especially since the Panther DAO already has a functioning group of Snapshot authors and admins (incl multisig), an Ethereum namespace and so forth as earlier decided through [PIP-8](https://docs.pantherprotocol.io/dao/governance/proposal-8-new-snapshot-authors-and-admins). Let’s take the time to discuss the Panther Governance framework into detail here during the next few weeks. From our end, we will contribute to this discussion as well. ---
**Author:** ![Praetorian](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/praetorian/32/69_2.png) [@Praetorian](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/Praetorian)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2023, 1:16pm UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/4 "2023-01-20T13:16:58Z")
I’ve wondered, what’s a good litmus test for our drafted proposals. You may agree that the active forum users don’t represent the whole community. To no fault of ours, nor does it mean we are acting in bad faith in any way (considering every vote was a resounding success). Just a question of vocal minority including the silent majority in the drafting process. We could have something similar to Optimism where users can also choose a delegate? > **[How to Delegate Your Tokens](https://community.optimism.io/docs/governance/howto-delegate/)** > > Why Delegate? Participating in governance of the Optimism Token House can require a serious time commitment. For this reason, people are able to delegate the voting power of their We would get more votes; users voices are also represented more. This will also work within the Governance framework, as certain delegates can fill the roles you have describe. Some having more responsibilities in the drafting proses due to the weight of their representation. What do you think? ---
**Author:** ![Hodlerboi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/hodlerboi/32/137_2.png) [@Hodlerboi](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/Hodlerboi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2023, 9:06pm UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/5 "2023-01-24T21:06:33Z")
Yup! What I like to see is an structurized process here on the forum especially since the ZKP holders (including me 😃 ) already voted for the snapshot council and voting criterea. I would like to make an flow diagram for Discourse especially and share it here somewhere at the end of the week so that everyone understands this topic and my ideas better. Everyone can understand PIP process better after such a thing is voted for hopefully at the end of this discussion. For example we all want exchange listing like MEXC but how is hard to define for community. Especially the part before an proposal is live on Snapshot. ---
**Author:** ![Hodlerboi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/hodlerboi/32/137_2.png) [@Hodlerboi](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/Hodlerboi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2023, 9:07pm UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/6 "2023-01-24T21:07:34Z")
I agree on this also but lets discuss voting criterea after community agrees on Discourse flow diagram. ---
**Author:** ![MoonRocket](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@MoonRocket](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/MoonRocket)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/7 "2023-01-24T21:16:55Z")
This is very good idea. Some panther forum process like this but on a diagram: 1. forum topic started 2. topic turns into PIP or not 3. Independent moderator review PIP 4. Panther and a snapshot council (can be same thing) review proposal instead of just one snapshot author pushing live directly. Acceptated or rejected if its against pantheer DAO values. Thoughts?? ---
**Author:** ![Mikhail12](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/mikhail12/32/153_2.png) [@Mikhail12](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/Mikhail12)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/8 "2023-01-24T21:54:34Z")
Yeah bro. I tink that we should seperate technical and non technical proposals from each other on flow diagram. Lokking forward to discourse flow diagram 💯 💯 ---
**Author:** ![ToXiC\_eHC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/toxic_ehc/32/291_2.png) [@ToXiC\_eHC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/ToXiC_eHC)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 10:00am UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/9 "2023-01-25T10:00:19Z")
I wonder who will draw that flow diagram that you refer? ---
**Author:** ![Joris](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/joris/32/8_2.png) [@Joris](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/Joris)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 10:43am UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/10 "2023-01-25T10:43:33Z")
Great idea. A flow diagram/functional diagram would be an ideal first step for the community to define the Discourse workflow and process. A diagrammatic representation of a PIP process. Setting things on paper also helps with defining an implicit (rough consensus) process so that a set of rules and procedures can be voted on by the ZKP holders. Hence a more transparent, explicit governance process for all DAO participants. I am looking forward to your idea & diagram and also think that MoonRocket made some good suggestions earlier on. ---
**Author:** ![ToXiC\_eHC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/toxic_ehc/32/291_2.png) [@ToXiC\_eHC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/ToXiC_eHC)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 10:45am UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/11 "2023-01-25T10:45:38Z")
I too look forward to seeing this great idea 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DanP](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/danp/32/79_2.png) [@DanP](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/DanP)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 11:30am UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/12 "2023-01-25T11:30:20Z")
Something like this? ![Panther_Process_Flow](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/pantherprotocol/original/1X/323b1be57aba5fe237cc6f20f73ae9c846ed5d36.png) ---
**Author:** ![Praetorian](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/praetorian/32/69_2.png) [@Praetorian](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/Praetorian)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 1:03pm UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/13 "2023-01-25T13:03:14Z")
Yes, I am putting the cart before the horse! Let me add something keeping with the topic at hand ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/pantherprotocol/original/1X/34e37abf52938c649e73d380bd760f83ca3a9346.png) Please add any suggestions! ---
**Author:** ![Hodlerboi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/hodlerboi/32/137_2.png) [@Hodlerboi](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/Hodlerboi)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 3:00pm UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/14 "2023-01-28T15:00:54Z")
I just made the flow diagram for Discourse based on earlier shared flow diagrams and comments of @MoonRocket, @DanP and Praetorian. We should split Discourse moderators and Snapshot authors as these should be seperate individuals. Otherwise there are vulnerability risks of the governance process. Next step after the Discourse flow diagram we should discuss the Snapshot flow diagram that comes after the moderator review process. If we outline a governance process in phases, we can discuss it better before drafting it up and have the entire proposal voted in. ![discourse process flow diagram](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/pantherprotocol/original/1X/515d52ddd4563dc19b82865817757910e51067be.png) ---
**Author:** ![Mikhail12](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/mikhail12/32/153_2.png) [@Mikhail12](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/Mikhail12)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 4:33pm UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/15 "2023-01-28T16:33:58Z")
This is good. We should have 2 forum moderators and discuss panther DAO values and continue diagram discussion after that. Also PIP template, time to share. ---
**Author:** ![Mikhail12](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/mikhail12/32/153_2.png) [@Mikhail12](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/Mikhail12)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 4:36pm UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/16 "2023-01-28T16:36:12Z")
And moderators should get small ZKP reward for moderating and reviewing PIP drafts i think ---
**Author:** ![Joris](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/joris/32/8_2.png) [@Joris](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/Joris)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/17 "2023-01-29T19:05:44Z")
This is a great start of the flow diagram! The community should indeed think about splitting Discourse moderators and Snapshot authors I would say, for decentralization purposes as suggested above. Moderators should review the formal PIP(s) and provide an in-depth PIP Analysis Report. The purpose of a PIP Analysis Report is to ensure that all: - Costs - Steps to implement - Legal considerations - Third-party review requirements - Potential conflicts of interests - Any further implications have been properly considered and identified in order to ensure the DAO members have enough information to make an informed decision. As @Mikhail12 suggested, the community could discuss a small ZKP reward for reviewing PIP drafts. To give everyone a better idea, a **PIP template** consists of the following: Proposal Name: (Title of the proposal) Author: (List the author of the proposal; can be a real name, TG, Twitter or Discord handle) Summary: (summary of the proposal in 2-3 sentences) Motivation: (Provide the motivation for and background info about the proposal and why it is necessary) Rationale: (Outline the benefits that implementation of the proposal will bring) Proposed Actions: (Provide the tasks that need to be executed to achieve the goal of the PIP and related details, and who will be involved in the implementation of the PIP and their responsibilities) Timeline: (Insert key dates and milestones) Budget: (Provide detailed costs of implementation and where the funds will come from) Voting and Participation: (Provide the ways in which community members can vote on this PIP - yes/no - and outline the steps that need to be taken for the PIP to get approved, including when PIP will begin, how long voting will be open, and other details) We can see a similar proposal structure at [Apecoin](https://forum.apecoin.com/t/aip-draft-template/6331). ---
**Author:** ![MoonRocket](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@MoonRocket](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/MoonRocket)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 7:33pm UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/18 "2023-01-29T19:33:48Z")
Good input 👍 I am wondering what PVL’s input on DAO values is longterm. I like idea of having both seperate council on Discourse and Snapshot. First council reviews PIP and set up report for analysis by PVL. Snapshot council should put proposal to vote like current snapshot authors but after analysis report for community PIPs. ---
**Author:** ![ToXiC\_eHC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/toxic_ehc/32/291_2.png) [@ToXiC\_eHC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/ToXiC_eHC)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 7:56pm UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/19 "2023-02-01T19:56:05Z")
I was listening to an AMA for OccamDAO today - very interesting. Members ( Stakers ) get an NFT, they can join guild’s who then together propose and launch OIP’s… I need to do more reading they have a very thick document stack and actual dedicated people who run this. ---
**Author:** ![ToXiC\_eHC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pantherprotocol.io/toxic_ehc/32/291_2.png) [@ToXiC\_eHC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/u/ToXiC_eHC)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 12:26pm UTC](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234/20 "2023-02-02T12:26:11Z")
This said I am seeing the need to create 2 seperate ‘locations’ in this forum, a unified space for discussing PIP’s which we can then archive for example once they are completed or rejected - since currently things are very disorganised here… [Next page](https://forum.pantherprotocol.io/t/panther-governance-framework-proposal/234.md?page=2)